'How Not to Engage in Hindu Christian Dialogue'
Dr. Vijaya Rajiva
Jan. 17, 2012
At a Discussion at the University of Massachusetts (Dartmouth) Rajiv Malhotra, the author of the book Breaking India (2011) addressing a small gathering, presented a spectacle of retreat and submission before a known 'adversary' Jesuit theologian and scholar Dr. Francis Xavier Clooney. Malhotra's co author Aravindan Neelakandan was not present and it is not known what his views are on his co author's start of a new career in Hindu Christian Dialogue. It was not so long ago that Breaking India had poignantly informed readers of the dangers facing India : terrorism, maoism, Inculturation from the Church and so on. And now we see the one of the authors of that book engaging with the self same Inculturation forces, under the rubric of Interfaith Dialogue, in this instance, Hindu Christian Dialogue. The present writer has explained in previous articles the reasons for this capitulation by Shri Malhotra. The reader is reminded that Inculturation is the process by which the Church ingratiates and insinuates itself into the local culture (in this case Hindu culture) not to integrate with it but to subvert it in various ways, so that the end result would be Conversion. The Vatican has openly endorsed this method and one avenue of Inculturation is the drawing in of Hindu intellectuals into the process of Interfaith Dialogue, specifically Hindu Christian Dialogue. Violence and conquest are no longer the chosen methods. Other avenues are there and Interfaith Dialogue is one of them, along with creeping Conversion.
At present Hindus should sit up and take notice of the fact that Shri Malhotra has further intentions of spreading his 'message.'
During his recent visit to India for talks on his new book Being Different, Malhotra met three different groups. The first meeting was with academics in Delhi amongst whom was a professor from Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU, not known for its Hindu orientation) who informed Malhotra that he Malhotra is interested in 'knowledge systems'. Shri Malhotra repeated this line at Dartmouth. In the video of the Discussion there he tells us that he is interested in knowledge systems, that he is not interested in the 'politics' of interfaith dialogue. This coming from the author of Breaking India is indeed precious !
The second meeting was with business people, a new group who Malhotra claims, does not know much about their own identity as Hindus and needed to be educated on the topic. And the third group was composed of some Hindu acharyas who Malhotra felt did not know much about Western thought and who needed to be educated in order to engage in Hindu Christian Dialogue. It is this last group that should concern the Hindu Samaj most. It is one thing for diasporic Hindus to keep themselves occupied with interfaith dialogue, quite another thing to help in the subversion of the aam admi Hindu and the traditional acharyas, gurus and maths by the Church. These have been the mainstay of our civilisation and we tinker with them at our own peril. The present writer has explained why this is so, in a previous article ' If a thing ain't broke don't fix it !' (in Bharata Bharati, kalyanblogspot & Haindava Keralam). The central argument of that article is that the traditional acharyas are well versed in their own tradition and that should continue. Spreading the virus of interfaith dialogue amongst them is doing a disservice to them and to the Hindu Samaj.
Here, we want to briefly examine the shape of things to come by looking at the process by which the well trained Jesuit scholar Dr. Franics Xavier Clooney was able to exploit Rajiv Malhotra's vulnerabilities, both the latter's new found agenda of interfaith dialogue (and now quite openly Hindu Christian Dialogue) and his position as an autodidact. The 'churning' that Malhotra did in understanding the differences between Hinduism and the monotheistic faiths (specifically Christianity) is important to himself undoubtedly. He is taken in by his own involvement with this process and as with most autodidacts (self taught) though not all, he imagines this to be a world shaking event. This subjective illusion can be the basis of a fine adventure of ideas, even perhaps an autobiographical account of his personal evolution. But as a 'scholarly' attempt to tackle a well trained adversary it was bound to end in a debacle.
Who is Francis Xavier Clooney ? He is a Jesuit priest and scholar who is a Professor at the School of Divinity at Harvard University (USA). He has a long standing interest in Hindu Christian Dialogue. He was introduced at Dartmouth as :
1. Professor of Divinity and Comparative Theology
2. He is on numerous editorial boards
3. He is the Director of the Centre for the Study of World Religions
4. He is the first President of the International Society for Hindu Christian Dialogue
5. He was the Co ordinator of Inter Religious Dialogue for the Society of Jesus
6. He is the editor of New Comparative Theology.
His academic credentials are impeccable. So is his dedication to the Vatican's program of Inculturation (See the article by George Thundiparambil 'Old Poisoned Wine in new Tetra Packs' in Vigilonline and as well the writings of Radha Rajan in Vigilonline and Sandhya Jain and Tamizhchelvan in Viajayavani). The present writer has pointed out on several occasions that Dr. Clooney is a soft spoken, well spoken, well trained scholar who does not appear before audiences with the words Inculturation and Conversion blazoned on his forehead. His modus operandi is intellectual discussion and the occasion at Dartmouth provided him with a ready venue. Both he he and Malhotra expect to continue these interfaith, Hindu Christian dialogues. This was clearly stated. These 'dialogues' will not benefit the Hindu Samaj. They will only offer opportunities for Fr. Clooney to open the door further into Inculturation while providing Malhotra with the ILLUSION that he is benefitting Hinduism by explaining the differences between Hinduism and the monotheistic faiths to a Western audience, even though he claims that he is addressing himself to Hindus.
After a 34 minute talk (approximately) by Malhotra on the themes of his book Being Different, Dr. Clooney took the podium and his talk lasted approximately 46 minutes. It has a 3 pronged approach and its subtlety and sophistication are all too evident, besides which Malhotra sounded amatuerish and unprepared.
In the first part Clooney paid the obligatory tributes to the author and amongst these there is one that stands out. He remarked that it is not the first time that Hindus have embarked on a critique of Christianity (and the West). He mentioned that Swami Dayananda Sarasvati in the 19th century and Swami Vivekananda in the 1900s did just that, but now Malhotra has provided a MORE SOPHISTICATED (and updated) critique. Fr. Clooney thus conferred the mantle of a new Vivekananda on Shri Malhotra's shoulders, which the latter did not decline to accept. This was evident in Malhotra's remarks after the Clooney talk.
The second part of Clooney's talk was devoted to a summary of the themes of the book which Malhotra had already presented to the audience, the over arching theme being that Hinduism was a different kind of Universalism ( different from the West) and that differences should be respected and can be the basis of dialogue.
It is in the third part that Dr. Clooney excelled in the subtle and sophisticated dialectic that Jesuit scholars are known for. In this segment he both acknowledged the merits of some of Malhotra's arguments and at the same time he pointed out their inadequacy as an account of the West and Christianity. At the end of the session Malhotra acknowledged that had taken close notes and these points would be the subject of further interfaith dialogues ! While Shri Malhotra dutifully brought out his copy book,
Dr. Clooney's frequent gestures of rubbing his hands together , said it all. The present writer has already pointed out elsewhere that Shri Malhotra's method Purva Paksha was fatally flawed. He truncated the ancient Hindu method of argument (Tarka Shastra) by omitting an important section of it : Refutation of the opponent's arguments. He merely 'gazed' at the opponent but did not refute him. And the Hindu Christian 'dialogue' is set up just for that.
The ancient method consists of (1) statement of the opponent's arguments, (2) REFUTATION of the opponent's argumenst, (3)Statement of one's own arguments.
Dr. Clooney, even as he praised his host,managed to show that Shri Malhotra did not really understand the West, especially Christianity. At least half a dozen examples were cited and it would be useful here to point out two or three of them. One of them was Malhotra's incomplete understanding of the god of Christianity and his historicity. Another example was the 'complexity' of the synthetic unity of Christian thought, unlike Malhotra's implied description of it as being inferior to Hindu integral unity.
The third example is telling. Clooney pointed out that in using the periodisation of history as starting with Rome, followed by the birth of Christianity, followed by Renaissance & Reformation and then followed by Modern Science, the Enlightenment, and then Colonialism etc. Malhtora was using the West's own model of itself. Hence, here again Malhotra was deficient in truly describing the West and especially Christianity.
Fr. Clooney even managed to throw in a quick remark that questioned the specificity (according to him) of the Hindu interpretation of the Rishi tradition. The Rishi tradition according to him is much more open than Hindus would allow. Shri Malhotra held up Sri Aurobindo and Ramana Maharshi as his sources, but he did not and could not defend the vast smriti tradition or even the Upanishads as he did not seem to be very familiar with these. A traditional acharya would immediately have been able to respond to this. A traditional acharya does not need to have gone through the fraudulent exercise of interfaith dialogue to explain the Vedas and the Smritis ! He certainly would not have allowed himself to be entrapped in the periodisation of history, borrowed from the West !
Apart from all this being Clooney's misrepresentation of the Vedas, it is also a sign of the current attempt by the Church to refine its Inculturation by appropriating the Vedas ! The Hindus do not understand the Vedas but Christians such as Fr. Clooney can. This is the subtext of his observations.
All in all, the video shows a dismal lack of preparedness by Shri Malhotra on how to handle the Jesuit scholar. This is, ofcourse, where his lack of formal training shows up. What should alarm the Hindu Samaj is that the book Being Different is being considered (so the author informs us) for students at the Department of Psychology at the University of Delhi. One hopes that intrepid students and faculty can tackle the situation. Hindus do not need lectures on what atman or punarjanmam mean, nor do they need to seek for a place at the table of Western Universalism( which is Shri Malhotra's stated aim). Dr. Clooney has already done the rounds of institutions in Chennai, among college students in particular. Should he appear at classrooms in Delhi one can only hope that the door of interfaith dialogue is firmly shut. The book Being Different cannot be allowed to become the thin end of the wedge for Inculturation (although that may not be the author's aim).
The chipping away at the aam admi Hindu and the traditional acharyas. gurus and maths has been the ancient dream of the Catholic Church. Hindus should resolutely show up these designs and above all reject Hindu Christian Dialogue. That exercise is intended to be a distraction. The real target of the Church are the aam admi Hindu and the traditional acharyas, gurus and maths, because the Church has understood that these are the backbone of our civilisation .
(Dr. Vijaya Rajiva is a Political Philosopher who taught at a Canadin university. Her academic training is in Philosophy, Political Science, Political Economy and History).
Brilliant, simply brilliant.Radha Rajan
ReplyDeleteI don't support Vijaya's stand and have wriiten more than once to her - Rajiv Malhotra has repeatedly clarified that the debate with Clooney was NOT with an intention to win over him but use that opportunity to educate our own masses! Subscribe to his discussion group where he has clarified it more than once. Vijaya is in "sour grapes" mode. Copying one of Rajiv's responses below.
ReplyDeleteIn chapter 1 of BD the main theme is to explain the various forms of Difference Anxiety.
One common form of DA among many Indians is the avoidance of opponents. To avoid dialogues with others who we differ with, those suffering from DA resort to either (1) isolationism or (2) the opposite extreme of flippant dismissal of the opponent.
Before explaining what is wrong with this, let me qualify that the term interfaith is as broad in scope as the term "faith". Faith refers not necessarily to faith in God, but faith in any system of belief or set of axioms, including atheism, secularism, Marxism, etc.
So what are the pros and cons of dharmic leaders avoiding discussions, debates, forums, events that involve others - including Muslims, Christians, Marxists, Subaltern scholars, feminists, and all sorts of others who differ, often very severely?
One advantage might seem to be that we don't face discomforting situations in which we could make a fool of ourselves or compromise our position. But this applies only to those who are unprepared, inexperienced. Therefore, those with bad experiences in such interfaith encounters due to their own inabilities should avoid them, because they are not competent enough to do a good job. They should control their ego needs to be visible, and let others who are better qualified go to such events. They should not project their own inadequacies upon everyone else.
There are major disadvantages of avoiding such interactions, assuming one is competent, well educated and experienced:
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The types of opponents listed above control the major channels of distribution of knowledge and policy making. These channels include education systems, media, government policies, journals, academic bodies, etc.Avoidance means we concede them the status quo.
ReplyDeleteWhile 20% might be solidly entrenched as opponents, the remaining vast majority are plain confused, ignorant, scared of fighting the established intellectual order, and do not have good leadership offering alternatives. So by engaging the opponents the idea is not to change the leadership on the opposing side, but to influence the vast majority in the middle who want to hear convincing arguments on behalf of dharma. They gather around me after each talk precisely because they feel empowered to speak up and want more role models who can do this with dignity and good intellect.
Encounters are a form of competitor research - one learns the others strengths, weaknesses, plans, etc.
Many persons from opposing camps are fed up and want to change their minds. I came across many westerners just yesterday in Bangalore at an international conference on management who want to understand Indian models as alternatives and are here to learn. If I were to take the stand that the presence of opponents means I boycott (there was an imam, Christian priests, Hindu gurus, etc.) the loss would have been mine.
The good news is that more and more youth and also many senior traditional thinkers are now backing my ideas in large numbers. The leaders of large organizations that have failed to reverse the gaze at the west now realize their folly, and constantly invite me to conduct training of their top thinkers, often in closed door workshops.
This upsets the marginalized voices who feel jealous that they missed the boat after many decades of activism claiming to lead society. They find that they have produced precious little, be it solid works that are making long term inroads, or gaining access to more mainstream forums. In none of the 15 events I am going to in this trip are such folks allowed to attend. Why? Some important conferences said plainly that such persons were seen as shrill hecklers and not worthy of including.
The World Sanskrit Conference, the Education Conf that I will participate in today and tomorrow, the management conference I just did in Blore, the two important meetings and workshops of futurist thinkers (one in Bangalore and one in Delhi) - NONE of these allowed participation or physical presence of any of these shouters.
It is sad that such folks, having failed to do anything, try to become a nuisance. It is best to ignore them as the noise making is fed by the craving for visibility.
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ReplyDeleteRajiv's response:
ReplyDeleteMy purpose in dialog with opposing views is never to try to convert their position, as that's impossible. So the whole argument being made is moot. My goal is to educate the uninformed youth in the audience about my position, in this case the students at Univ of Mass. We have complained for years that Hindus do not get included in such gatherings and hence we are judged without being present to represent ourselves. So now that finally a few of us get to speak up in mainstream forums, there is jealousy from those who feel left out on the margins because they did not work hard or develop the solid mainstream books that are required to have a strong case. (Vijaya Rajiva has zero academic works or any book written by her - what a "qualified" person that I must respond to!!!) The argument that we cannot influence the opponent is useless because that is not the goal in any debate/argument with an opponent. One targets the undecided middle ground as one's audience. A Democrat does not expect to convert his opponent Republican in a debate, nor vice versa - they are talking to the audience watching while appearing to debate one another. This is debating 101.
Opponents to dialog are not just evangelists but also Marxists, secularistsm Islamists, and many confused Hindus who promote "sameness" like some folks in Auroville. I have a long track record in taking on all kinds of opponents, and helping educate our own folks to widen their knowledge: Vijay Prashad the foremost leftist in an online debate on Outlook; around 6 of Wendy's Children in multiple forums including at the AAR annual conferences; Martha Nussbaum; various folks at Harvard; Mark Tully in a recent video on YouTube; Reverend Thompson at Princeton Univ; etc. Vijaya is part of a small group of persons who have no such experience. They are simply unqualified to assess my effectiveness. As someone recently commented on them: "You cannot teach a pig to whistle, and besides it makes the pig upset." How not to do XYZ is being pontificated by someone who has never done XYZ!!! Dont you think you ought to have asked her to explain whats her expertise and experience in this field before judging me?
The fact is that many important intellectual leaders in our tradition supported me for 20 years to gain this experience which comes only through sticking one's neck out in forums where one might be heavily out numbered. I follow the advice of such elders, rather than those who feel they have failed to make any impact and hence want to get visibility by such attacks.
Vijaya and her ilk have no skin in the game, i.e. nothing at risk, because they are armchair mouse-clicking "activists". I have risked my life, resources, health, etc for the 20 year in the prime of my life. I know better what to do and what not to do based on direct experience.
The arguments being given against inculturation are well known to anyone who has been in this work, but are irrelevant. I am opposed to inculturation, conversions, etc. I have written more about this than anyone else I am aware of so I dont need to be told these things that are well known.
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These attackers are trying to settle some old sour grapes or old score that is personal. No sensible Hindu would say lets remain isolated and boycott mainstream forums because there will be nasty opponents. That's the kurukshetra we must deal with. The kurukshetra is not something we get to design to our liking, it is whatever it happens to be, and we must be a player.
ReplyDeleteI agree that none of these individuals should engage in discussions with opponents because they are unqualified to do so. But that does not men that everyone else is also unqualified. They are projecting their own limitations, tamas, laziness, etc. upon all others. I should be evaluated not on wild suppositions, but on my personal track record of accomplishments thus far - as arguably the leading person in taking on our opponents.
Even today, these folks are SIMPLY UNWILLING TO DO WHAT I DID AND WHAT IT TAKES - quit their gainful employment/profession, send full time in such research and encounters, travel the world at own expense and risk, write and write and speak to educate and share. Ask them for any such specific COMMITMENTS and they will run away hiding behind a keyboard.
I hope its clear that i have no intentions or need to ruin my seminar trying to explain myself to such folks.
Kindly pass this around...
regards,
rajiv